LI: I think before when we were working, mostly the goal was to get great make-up for a show, or an image, or a client. It was like focusing on this, like, tiny fashion moment. But now that we are creating colour and texture for a super large audience, like Ammy said. Also, we learn so much about colour, everything that goes on in the lab, we’re familiar, more familiar with the ingredients and things like that, so it’s quite interesting.
PARAVINA: The way that the three of us now work together was really new for each of us. When you work as a make-up artist, you don’t get the chance to work with other artists. And, you know, you have your good day, you are very confident, you are happy with your work, but sometimes you have doubt. And at that moment, you don’t know who to turn to. You want a little bit of advice, but you don’t know who to ask. But thanks to Nathalie [Lasnet, vice president of the Makeup Creation Studio at Chanel], that she brought the three of us together. In the beginning, I wasn’t sure, like if our characters will get along, but unfortunately—I mean, fortunately…
DRAMMEH [laughs]: Unfortunately, we get along! [all three laugh]
PARAVINA: Every time we meet each other, I have this feeling that I found a family, people who share the same passion about a single goal. Like we love make-up, share the passion of beauty, and we put our ego aside when we work together.
So much of your work in make-up is rooted in fantasy. Where do you find inspiration?
DRAMMEH: It can be a book I’m reading; it can be like an old movie that I used to watch over and over again when I was a kid, or it can be things that I see. There are these videos of people when they get like, their lashes done? And they put a lot of lashes. And it actually looks painful, and they do this for the video and the eyes are kind of red, and it’s so not appealing. But I was kind of mega inspired by it so then I just did like a crazy lash. Super over-the-top heavy. So it can be from anything.
LI: Yeah, it can be from a trip, you know, like when you see some amazing colour in the ocean or in the desert, you grab it, you take it and use your own way to blend it into your work. I think it’s a bit like cooking? Taking an ingredient that you like and adding something to make it more, you.
PARAVINA: For me it’s not a thing but a person. It’s this person in Japan that I have developed a friendship with, his name is Shusuke and he’s based in Hakodate. He’s been selling me vintage books for about six years now. Before I used to ask for a specific book or maybe buy something that he had in his online shop. But now I have this thing where I’m like, “hey, I’m interested in this theme” or “I’m interested in this approach to art, do you have recommendations”? And he always gives me the best books because he knows my taste.
What’s your way of dealing with creative burnout?
DRAMMEH: This year, I really learned that I needed a holiday, like a proper holiday! When I came back, I was so refreshed, my ideas were renewed. And I think like taking time to remove yourself [from work]—because it’s something that we really, really, really love to do—but when you do it, continuously, it can get to a point where you feel like there is nothing else left. So removing yourself, either with a holiday, or finding something that it is really like, meditative, to you, something that can kind of remove you from that state of mind, and let you come back recharged.
LI: Similar—I either go on a holiday, or I just watch a movie or do things that I love, like cooking. Something not related to fashion or beauty. Also, I feel like we get inspired by our life in general. So we need to first enjoy life; the creative idea comes when you appreciate your life.
PARAVINA: Lately, I’ve been doing ceramic class, which I really love, because when you work with earth it’s very forgiving. You can try something, and if it doesn't work, you can smash it all up. Add a little bit of water and start again. The earth itself is not precious. How do you shape it to being precious? That is the most, like—removed from the industry, from social media, from even capitalism, you know…removed from society—thing. That’s my main “touching grass” activity that I’ve included my routine now.